into creatine until I was already down over 200 pounds so I started like looking into this really not too long ago just to give you guys an idea of how much I emphasize saying these are supplements and you need them whatsoever so yeah I started looking into this when I was already down around 200 pounds and honestly I've been taking it on and off because well for one reason I just had an on pad with like keeping up with this stuff but another reason too is that you actually don't even need to supplement creatine it's actually in foods that you eat it's mainly and um red meats and fish so if you're someone who's eating a lot of that someone who's eating generally a high