see supplements and they think that it's gonna be this magic pill that's going to solve all their problems and when it comes to long three years now so my dad is much like John I lost up to up to 150 pounds so I had an extreme weight loss transformation that's kind of how John and I became friends I had then went into coaching and physique coaching and you know we're talking I'm shortening a decade's worth the time almost now so I do have a story on John's youtube channel somewhere way far down if someone's more interested to learn about more I'll link that down in the